RealTalk #6 Payout Ratios? - RealBowlers2024-03-28T22:19:25Zhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32709&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou know one of the beautys o…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-15:2153999:Comment:327092009-10-15T01:10:07.245ZNick Smithhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/NickSmith
You know one of the beautys of the tournament bowling is that there is no right or wrong. Every bowler has their particular favorite and opinion on all formats. I myself am a fan of matchplay/bracket style tournaments. There is alittle truth to Alans statement that the best bowler of the weekend usually doesnt win those formatted tourneys. Take the last RBT for example Brain Dennis lead the whole weekend, leading qualifying on sat. and bowling sun. and having the highest score then as well. He…
You know one of the beautys of the tournament bowling is that there is no right or wrong. Every bowler has their particular favorite and opinion on all formats. I myself am a fan of matchplay/bracket style tournaments. There is alittle truth to Alans statement that the best bowler of the weekend usually doesnt win those formatted tourneys. Take the last RBT for example Brain Dennis lead the whole weekend, leading qualifying on sat. and bowling sun. and having the highest score then as well. He lost his first match. As I can best remember only Tony Churchey and myself were the only guys from the top 8 qualifiers that won their first match. It isnt always like that but it does happen and every real bowler realizes and understands that.<br />
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Im sure no disrespect was intended by Alans statement, every post put on is almost all opinion based.<br />
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Theo I have said it before, it is impossible to please every bowler every tournament. All you can do is be honest, consistent and as fair as possible in giving bowlers what they want. Also, that is a slap in the f…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-14:2153999:Comment:327072009-10-14T20:48:24.189ZTheo McNairhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/TheoMcNair
Also, that is a slap in the face to Matt Burden, Rudy Kasimakis, Jason Sterner, Aaron Hayes, Isom Hawes, Lee Vanderhoef, Tony Churchey and all of the other great champions we have had on the RBT, to say they "The best bowler that day usually doesnt win, the person with the best luck one game does"<br />
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To me they know how to beat someone and not just the lanes. Thats the make up of "Real Bowlers"!<br />
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Also, that is a slap in the face to Matt Burden, Rudy Kasimakis, Jason Sterner, Aaron Hayes, Isom Hawes, Lee Vanderhoef, Tony Churchey and all of the other great champions we have had on the RBT, to say they "The best bowler that day usually doesnt win, the person with the best luck one game does"<br />
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To me they know how to beat someone and not just the lanes. Thats the make up of "Real Bowlers"!<br />
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<cite>Alan Chetister said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?page=2&commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32698&x=1#2153999Comment32688"><div>Wow, There is way to much to read but I will put what I think about pay out in regards to the RBT since that is the question.<br/><br/>I think 1:3 ratio is to much with Gar. $1500 to $2000 on top. I think 1:4 would allow you to pay more for 2-8 spots. I have made all but one cut of the RBT since I have been here with a 3rd finish with not much to show for it. Most of the money I have made in the RBT is off of brackets. Yes, I bowl every tournament to win but I am doing this for a living now. I have to go to the place that I have the best chance of making money for the weekend not the one that pays the highest. It is so hard to win tournaments with the formats now, elimination and brackets finals are tough. The best bowler that day usually doesnt win, the person with the best luck one game does.<br/><br/>That is my littler ole opinion.....</div>
</blockquote> The bowlers are the ones bowl…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-14:2153999:Comment:326982009-10-14T16:04:49.788ZTheo McNairhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/TheoMcNair
The bowlers are the ones bowling the games. Linage doesnt go in our pocket. <b>We believe in giving bowlers more games</b>. The reason we cut after 5 games is just that, to not waste linage money for those additional 3 gms, with half of the field. So, look at it like this, you bowl 8 games and then we cut to the <b>cashers</b>. If you pay $100 to bowl you should at least get some games out of it. Our formats taylor to more than just one style of bowler<br />
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We have done over 40 scratch singles…
The bowlers are the ones bowling the games. Linage doesnt go in our pocket. <b>We believe in giving bowlers more games</b>. The reason we cut after 5 games is just that, to not waste linage money for those additional 3 gms, with half of the field. So, look at it like this, you bowl 8 games and then we cut to the <b>cashers</b>. If you pay $100 to bowl you should at least get some games out of it. Our formats taylor to more than just one style of bowler<br />
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We have done over 40 scratch singles tournaments and based on our <b>experience</b> and the feedback we have received from bowlers this is the best product and format for now. So, we didnt just come up with this overnight.<br />
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If there are too few games bowlers cry, if there are too many they cry as well. If there is to many bowlers in match play they cry if there are not enough... This format and ratio has worked for us this past season. Not sure why there is such a major complaint about it.<br />
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<cite>Alan Chetister said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?page=2&commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32697&x=1#2153999Comment32692"><div>I think it is stupid to make a cut and not get paid, just cut to the cashier. You will save of lineage which should be given back to the bowlers.</div>
</blockquote> My bad, I wasnt sure what it…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-14:2153999:Comment:326972009-10-14T15:32:58.716ZAlan Chetisterhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/AlanChetister
My bad, I wasnt sure what it was. If has been 1:4 then for sure 1:5 and hell no to 1:3. If it was 1:3 you would be paying 1500 for first and 500 for second.<br />
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also, cut to the the cashier. You could probably save $200 to $300 on lineage.
My bad, I wasnt sure what it was. If has been 1:4 then for sure 1:5 and hell no to 1:3. If it was 1:3 you would be paying 1500 for first and 500 for second.<br />
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also, cut to the the cashier. You could probably save $200 to $300 on lineage. Not sure if I understand your…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-14:2153999:Comment:326962009-10-14T15:26:03.784ZTheo McNairhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/TheoMcNair
Not sure if I understand your point Alan. RBT does not pay 1:3 we pay 1:4. Are you saying a 1:4 payout is good or bad? What do you think the best payout ratio is? Thats the question.<br />
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<cite>Alan Chetister said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?page=2&commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32688&x=1#2153999Comment32688"><div>Wow, There is way to much to read but I will put what I think about pay out in regards to the RBT since that is the…</div>
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Not sure if I understand your point Alan. RBT does not pay 1:3 we pay 1:4. Are you saying a 1:4 payout is good or bad? What do you think the best payout ratio is? Thats the question.<br />
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<cite>Alan Chetister said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?page=2&commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32688&x=1#2153999Comment32688"><div>Wow, There is way to much to read but I will put what I think about pay out in regards to the RBT since that is the question.<br/><br/>I think 1:3 ratio is to much with Gar. $1500 to $2000 on top. I think 1:4 would allow you to pay more for 2-8 spots. I have made all but one cut of the RBT since I have been here with a 3rd finish with not much to show for it. Most of the money I have made in the RBT is off of brackets. Yes, I bowl every tournament to win but I am doing this for a living now. I have to go to the place that I have the best chance of making money for the weekend not the one that pays the highest. It is so hard to win tournaments with the formats now, elimination and brackets finals are tough. The best bowler that day usually doesnt win, the person with the best luck one game does.<br/><br/>That is my littler ole opinion.....</div>
</blockquote> I think it is stupid to make…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-14:2153999:Comment:326922009-10-14T15:07:31.824ZAlan Chetisterhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/AlanChetister
I think it is stupid to make a cut and not get paid, just cut to the cashier. You will save of lineage which should be given back to the bowlers.
I think it is stupid to make a cut and not get paid, just cut to the cashier. You will save of lineage which should be given back to the bowlers. Wow, There is way to much to…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-14:2153999:Comment:326882009-10-14T15:01:57.689ZAlan Chetisterhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/AlanChetister
Wow, There is way to much to read but I will put what I think about pay out in regards to the RBT since that is the question.<br />
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I think 1:3 ratio is to much with Gar. $1500 to $2000 on top. I think 1:4 would allow you to pay more for 2-8 spots. I have made all but one cut of the RBT since I have been here with a 3rd finish with not much to show for it. Most of the money I have made in the RBT is off of brackets. Yes, I bowl every tournament to win but I am doing this for a living now. I have to…
Wow, There is way to much to read but I will put what I think about pay out in regards to the RBT since that is the question.<br />
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I think 1:3 ratio is to much with Gar. $1500 to $2000 on top. I think 1:4 would allow you to pay more for 2-8 spots. I have made all but one cut of the RBT since I have been here with a 3rd finish with not much to show for it. Most of the money I have made in the RBT is off of brackets. Yes, I bowl every tournament to win but I am doing this for a living now. I have to go to the place that I have the best chance of making money for the weekend not the one that pays the highest. It is so hard to win tournaments with the formats now, elimination and brackets finals are tough. The best bowler that day usually doesnt win, the person with the best luck one game does.<br />
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That is my littler ole opinion..... McNair,
The only singles tour…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-14:2153999:Comment:326772009-10-14T01:29:44.808ZAnnette Lyons-Oatmanhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/AnnetteScott
McNair,<br />
The only singles tournaments that I do are 9 No Tap tournaments. There I guarantee 1st through 5th Place. I also have a 300 pot, it cost $10.00 if you bowl a 9 No Tap 300 you instantly win $60.00. As I stated, Guarantee the Money and they will come....<br />
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<cite>Theo McNair said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?id=2153999%3ATopic%3A31082&page=2#2153999Comment32660"><div>Annette,<br></br>With Doubles Tournament you almost have to pay…</div>
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McNair,<br />
The only singles tournaments that I do are 9 No Tap tournaments. There I guarantee 1st through 5th Place. I also have a 300 pot, it cost $10.00 if you bowl a 9 No Tap 300 you instantly win $60.00. As I stated, Guarantee the Money and they will come....<br />
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<cite>Theo McNair said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?id=2153999%3ATopic%3A31082&page=2#2153999Comment32660"><div>Annette,<br/>With Doubles Tournament you almost have to pay a 1:10 for it to be decent, but what do you feel about Singles Tournaments?<br/><br/><cite>Annette Lyons-Oatman said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?page=2&commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32655&x=1#2153999Comment32655"><div>I have given several tournaments over the past 10 years. I have paid out more than $100,000.00. My ratio is always <b>1 out of 10</b>. The reason is because all my tournaments have a <b>GUARANTEED prize fund.</b> My last tounamant <b>paid out $10,000 guaranteed first Place doubles tournament</b>. Most of my tournaments run for one month and I pay $3,000 1st Place Guaranteed. I also <b>Payout CASH</b> the <b>day after the tournament</b>.<br/><br/>I have no complaints.......I also add money to the jackpots.....<i><b>Guarantee the money and they will come</b></i>....</div>
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</blockquote> well... I personally have onl…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-13:2153999:Comment:326692009-10-13T05:30:53.422ZChasehttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/Cirocco
well... I personally have only done 1 tournament...and it was a success. I really thank Atlanta for it's support with over 400 entries, and I tried my best to make everyone happy with the payouts...and also the experience of participating (prizes, free stuff, etc).<br />
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Now - this of course was a handicap doubles thing, and it was a way to actually make money ...as long as I guaranteed the pay...and made sure people felt like the tournament was fair. I also spent a LOT of money and time promoting…
well... I personally have only done 1 tournament...and it was a success. I really thank Atlanta for it's support with over 400 entries, and I tried my best to make everyone happy with the payouts...and also the experience of participating (prizes, free stuff, etc).<br />
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Now - this of course was a handicap doubles thing, and it was a way to actually make money ...as long as I guaranteed the pay...and made sure people felt like the tournament was fair. I also spent a LOT of money and time promoting and marketing the tournament...so thank God it worked.<br />
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<b>BUT, as Theo has made clear... to do a tournament for Scratch Bowling (Singles) with a BIG guaranteed payout, along with a decent pay ratio...well, for me…I honestly am pulling my hair out trying to figure out “a way to do it” …where it actually makes $ense for everyone.</b><br />
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When I did the Bowling200.com | iBowlstrikes Handicap thing, I already had over $7,000 put aside as a budget...to make sure I could pay out…and everyone be happy. I was willing to gamble that people would come...based on me guarenteeing the cash. But for a Scratch Singles thing???? .... I have personally seen the scratch bowlers not support or can't afford to support the local scratch tournament…and <b>bowlers not show when the bell rings.</b><br />
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I say all of this because… I’d love to do a big scratch tournament, but ....without a big sponsor to guarantee the money?? <b>I don’t see how it can be done</b>…especially if the tournament is to payout more than 8 people.<br />
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Honestly, Theo & Tim, you guys do an incredible job with the Realbowlers tournaments..."as is" right now...and if it grows...cool. But, it's very well run and fair right <b>now</b>. Annette,
With Doubles Tournam…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-13:2153999:Comment:326602009-10-13T02:45:05.231ZTheo McNairhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/TheoMcNair
Annette,<br />
With Doubles Tournament you almost have to pay a 1:10 for it to be decent, but what do you feel about Singles Tournaments?<br />
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<cite>Annette Lyons-Oatman said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?page=2&commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32655&x=1#2153999Comment32655"><div>I have given several tournaments over the past 10 years. I have paid out more than $100,000.00. My ratio is always <b>1 out of 10</b>. The reason is because all…</div>
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Annette,<br />
With Doubles Tournament you almost have to pay a 1:10 for it to be decent, but what do you feel about Singles Tournaments?<br />
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<cite>Annette Lyons-Oatman said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk-6-payout-ratios?page=2&commentId=2153999%3AComment%3A32655&x=1#2153999Comment32655"><div>I have given several tournaments over the past 10 years. I have paid out more than $100,000.00. My ratio is always <b>1 out of 10</b>. The reason is because all my tournaments have a <b>GUARANTEED prize fund.</b> My last tounamant <b>paid out $10,000 guaranteed first Place doubles tournament</b>. Most of my tournaments run for one month and I pay $3,000 1st Place Guaranteed. I also <b>Payout CASH</b> the <b>day after the tournament</b>.<br/><br/>I have no complaints.......I also add money to the jackpots.....<i><b>Guarantee the money and they will come</b></i>....</div>
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