RealTalk#4 HOUSE SHOT pt. II - RealBowlers2024-03-28T11:26:01Zhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk4-house-shot-pt-ii?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI agree with you Theo. But I…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2012-08-11:2153999:Comment:931812012-08-11T16:09:10.071ZJason Mauldinhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/JasonMauldin
<p>I agree with you Theo. But I also understand many proprietors don't want the once a week bowler to get upset about not being able to shoot high scores and go to another house. The simple solution is for the USBC to require houses to use the red, white, or blue pattern. Then pick a pattern for each league. Novice leagues would bowl on the red, intermediate leagues on white, and advanced on blue. This is not perfect because the same pattern plays different from one house to the next, but…</p>
<p>I agree with you Theo. But I also understand many proprietors don't want the once a week bowler to get upset about not being able to shoot high scores and go to another house. The simple solution is for the USBC to require houses to use the red, white, or blue pattern. Then pick a pattern for each league. Novice leagues would bowl on the red, intermediate leagues on white, and advanced on blue. This is not perfect because the same pattern plays different from one house to the next, but it would be an improvement on the current system. Just my 2cents.</p> Yes, I do! Why you ask?tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2012-08-08:2153999:Comment:932722012-08-08T17:05:53.032ZTheo McNairhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/TheoMcNair
<p>Yes, I do! Why you ask?</p>
<p>Yes, I do! Why you ask?</p> Theo Do you still beleive in…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2012-08-08:2153999:Comment:932692012-08-08T16:35:53.155ZAkil Razzakhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/AkilRazzak
<p>Theo Do you still beleive in this concept?</p>
<p>Theo Do you still beleive in this concept?</p> I miss long oil... When I sta…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2010-12-29:2153999:Comment:546242010-12-29T03:32:26.989ZTawanda (Taylor) Triplethttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/TawandaTaylorTriplet
I miss long oil... When I started bowling in the 80's I was throwing the ball right down the middle. If I wanted to play or compete with the good bowler you had to learn the game (making adjustments, picking up spares, practicing, etc). Here comes short oil, it was good you still had to make a few adjustments, and practice just a little. Now comes the ball company......and it changed.
I miss long oil... When I started bowling in the 80's I was throwing the ball right down the middle. If I wanted to play or compete with the good bowler you had to learn the game (making adjustments, picking up spares, practicing, etc). Here comes short oil, it was good you still had to make a few adjustments, and practice just a little. Now comes the ball company......and it changed. Too many ball companies makin…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2010-12-24:2153999:Comment:543882010-12-24T03:25:40.239ZChris Greenhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/ChrisGreen
Too many ball companies making promises to bowlers about this ball hooks or that ball hooks which is attractive to many novice bowlers. They can buy a hook instead of learning to hook that why I use urethane and plastic from time to time especially during league and shorter patterns for control as I don't have to hook the whole lane I can but why? But this comes from knowing adjustment with hand, wrist, fingers and targets etc...what I'm saying is people nowadays have no respect for the game…
Too many ball companies making promises to bowlers about this ball hooks or that ball hooks which is attractive to many novice bowlers. They can buy a hook instead of learning to hook that why I use urethane and plastic from time to time especially during league and shorter patterns for control as I don't have to hook the whole lane I can but why? But this comes from knowing adjustment with hand, wrist, fingers and targets etc...what I'm saying is people nowadays have no respect for the game because they think their 280 game is the same as the pros they are dead wrong if bowlers had to use one ball be it resin, uerthane or plastic only, watch what would happen against the a true pro who would win? The pro would beat them 90% of the time as skill would come into play then they would see how not so easy it really is. In short, the easier the shot…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-29:2153999:Comment:329612009-10-29T23:50:57.071ZKeith Beavershttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/KeithBeavers
In short, the easier the shot gets, the more boring the sport gets! It's like someone said, people have trouble distinguising between a pro bowler and an everyday bowler and that sometimes hurts the game. Well, we'd be making them right if the shot was eaiser because I WOULD be able to go out there and beat up on Pete Weber and Parker and Walter Ray because the shot is....easy. And that make it boring because those guys who make a living off of this would be broke because an average joe with a…
In short, the easier the shot gets, the more boring the sport gets! It's like someone said, people have trouble distinguising between a pro bowler and an everyday bowler and that sometimes hurts the game. Well, we'd be making them right if the shot was eaiser because I WOULD be able to go out there and beat up on Pete Weber and Parker and Walter Ray because the shot is....easy. And that make it boring because those guys who make a living off of this would be broke because an average joe with a 150 average can come in at any time and get hot and win!! We have a league here in Cleveland like that. I dropped out because I was wasting my money and it wasn't fun. You would bowl a 250-260 and be sitting there wondering if you're getting paid!!! Then, after waiting, you find out you're not because 4 or 5 people shot 279's and above. I LOVE that house rating idea. That is a HUGE step in the right direction, plus now that High Schools and Colleges are adopting the sport....this will help create more scratch bowlers and bowlers who study the game!! ...you know what, I was recen…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-10-21:2153999:Comment:328272009-10-21T05:22:56.757ZChasehttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/Cirocco
...you know what, I was recently speaking with someone who is helping me with my bowling; Dannial Cohen, and he told me exactly what you said ...<br />
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<cite>Brian Dennis said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk4-house-shot-pt-ii#2153999Comment31902"><div>The problem is the better bowlers are going to score…</div>
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...you know what, I was recently speaking with someone who is helping me with my bowling; Dannial Cohen, and he told me exactly what you said ...<br />
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<cite>Brian Dennis said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://realbowlers.ning.com/forum/topics/realtalk4-house-shot-pt-ii#2153999Comment31902"><div>The problem is the better bowlers are going to score high on the "easy" house shot, while the lower avg bowlers can still shoot 200's. If the shot is difficult the better bowlers will still win, but will do it by making shots and making spares, while the other bowlers struggle to shoot 180 and leave scratching their heads and disappointed. The "egos" get hurt when we don't bowl well no matter what the lane conditions are. The "easy" shots allow bowlers to score well and if they don't it is because they couldn't carry!! If the shot is hard and challenging we actually have to make good shots and perform and seems nobody wants to have to do that anymore. Most bowlers would rather lose $$$ but tell everyone how they bowled a few 230 games in the process than to avg 190 and leave with the $$$$.</div>
</blockquote> The problem is the better bow…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-09-11:2153999:Comment:319022009-09-11T19:17:36.621ZBrian Dennishttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/BrianDennis
The problem is the better bowlers are going to score high on the "easy" house shot, while the lower avg bowlers can still shoot 200's. If the shot is difficult the better bowlers will still win, but will do it by making shots and making spares, while the other bowlers struggle to shoot 180 and leave scratching their heads and disappointed. The "egos" get hurt when we don't bowl well no matter what the lane conditions are. The "easy" shots allow bowlers to score well and if they don't it is…
The problem is the better bowlers are going to score high on the "easy" house shot, while the lower avg bowlers can still shoot 200's. If the shot is difficult the better bowlers will still win, but will do it by making shots and making spares, while the other bowlers struggle to shoot 180 and leave scratching their heads and disappointed. The "egos" get hurt when we don't bowl well no matter what the lane conditions are. The "easy" shots allow bowlers to score well and if they don't it is because they couldn't carry!! If the shot is hard and challenging we actually have to make good shots and perform and seems nobody wants to have to do that anymore. Most bowlers would rather lose $$$ but tell everyone how they bowled a few 230 games in the process than to avg 190 and leave with the $$$$. I believe that if the shot is…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-08-25:2153999:Comment:311292009-08-25T18:12:00.077ZChasehttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/Cirocco
<b>I believe that if the shot is challenging… people will still participate.</b> The shot I used for my tournament (The iBowlstrikes Summer Challenge) was not a THS…and people came out…and had a great time. The only criticism (not really complaints) came from a handful of 220+ bowlers.<br />
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<b>In my opinion, the shot should always be challenging.</b> I am not a veteran to bowling (less than 3 years), but in that time I just keep trying to improve…regardless of how hard “the shot” is. To me… I…
<b>I believe that if the shot is challenging… people will still participate.</b> The shot I used for my tournament (The iBowlstrikes Summer Challenge) was not a THS…and people came out…and had a great time. The only criticism (not really complaints) came from a handful of 220+ bowlers.<br />
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<b>In my opinion, the shot should always be challenging.</b> I am not a veteran to bowling (less than 3 years), but in that time I just keep trying to improve…regardless of how hard “the shot” is. To me… I thought that’s how it was supposed to be anyway. Until USBC raises the bar and…tag:realbowlers.ning.com,2009-08-23:2153999:Comment:310412009-08-23T04:53:23.068ZKennylanesharkhttp://realbowlers.ning.com/profile/KenMcNeely
Until USBC raises the bar and makes lane conditions more challenging then nothing will ever change. I have heard that a new system of rating houses might be adopted in which houses will be given the option of different levels of lane conditioning. Sort of the way golf courses are rated. This would be a start in the right direction. It's amazing how the modern equipment helps alot of folks score so high. I just got the new Storm Natural which is a urethane ball. Great ball for dry, short and…
Until USBC raises the bar and makes lane conditions more challenging then nothing will ever change. I have heard that a new system of rating houses might be adopted in which houses will be given the option of different levels of lane conditioning. Sort of the way golf courses are rated. This would be a start in the right direction. It's amazing how the modern equipment helps alot of folks score so high. I just got the new Storm Natural which is a urethane ball. Great ball for dry, short and tougher patterns. I have throw it in comparsion to a hyroad and the furious. It's sick how much more the hyroad and furious hook compared to the natural. You really have to be consisent with your speed and release even on the dry stuffwith this ball. Wish I wouldn't have had so much approach problems at the W.C. Cleveland because I had a good look with this ball on that dry shot. Maybe you guys should have a tournament where resin isn"t allowed. This would make folks have to be on their games alittle more and you could throw this righty- lefty crap out the window. Then you would truly see who makes shots and win instead of equipment dictating the outcome. There shouldn't be any complaints from anyone. Good shot making will dominate this type of event. You can throw out the crying from the righties that our shot is always changing and the lefties can stop whining about we can't keep up because the righties have blown opening the track and are scoring higher. I wish we could go back to plastic and urethane. It would put some diginity back into our game and the truly talented would always win.